# Business Message Reject message **URL:** \ **Category:** General Q&A\ **Tags:** fixml\_schema, xid\_165240, imported\ **Created:** [May 9, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/business-message-reject-message/6029 "2006-05-09T17:50:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stevenbotta\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stevenbotta\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/stevenbotta_x)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/business-message-reject-message/6029/1 "2006-05-09T17:50:46Z")
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**Author:** ![stevenbotta\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stevenbotta\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/stevenbotta_x)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/business-message-reject-message/6029/2 "2006-05-09T17:50:46Z")
Folks; I’d like to get some more business and technical info on the uses of the FIXML Business Message Reject message. Questions that I have are as follows: 1. can I employ the Business Message Reject message as an acknowledgement back to the source if I cannot determine the message type that I have received? 2. at this time, is it the industry practice to employ this message type in this context? if so… 3. where can I acquire some sample Business Message Reject Message messages that I can refer to and use as a foundation to construct my own messages? any info you can provide is appreciated…thank you. ---
**Author:** ![kaymahes\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c2a13f/32.png) [@kaymahes\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/kaymahes_x)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 7:36am UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/business-message-reject-message/6029/3 "2006-05-10T07:36:10Z")
In my understanding of FIX, if my application cannot determine the message type, a session level reject is to be used, ie, I would use Tag 35 ( message type ) = 3 ( Session level reject ) Tag 373 = 11 ( Invalid message type ) Also Business reject cannot be used as an acknowledgement because when business reject is received by the other application, the reject would close out the transaction intitiated by the order generation system ( system behind the other FIX engine ). If a session level reject is sent, the other FIX engine might be able to retransmit the corrected message without resending from backend / order generation system. > Folks; > > I’d like to get some more business and technical info on the uses of the > FIXML Business Message Reject message. > > Questions that I have are as follows: > > 1. can I employ the Business Message Reject message as an > acknowledgement back to the source if I cannot determine the message > type that I have received? > > 2. at this time, is it the industry practice to employ this message > type in this context? if so… > > 3. where can I acquire some sample Business Message Reject Message > messages that I can refer to and use as a foundation to construct my > own messages? > > any info you can provide is appreciated…thank you. ---
**Author:** ![stevenbotta\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stevenbotta\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/stevenbotta_x)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/business-message-reject-message/6029/4 "2006-05-21T19:57:51Z")
Hi Mahesh; thanks for your reply…and sorry for my delayed response. at this time, i have additional comments/questions on how i can implement a session level reject message when i cannot determine a message type: comments: 1. as per the fix-44 VOL 2 Document and via your email, I’ll be employing the following tags/attributes in this session level reject message space: MsgType = ‘3’ SessionRejectMessage = ‘11’ questions: 2. Since I’ll be employing this session level reject message in a POST-TRADE space, what will i utilize for the following attributes below in the message… RefSeqNum StandardTrailer since the spec specifies these attributes are required? Please let me know if both the MsgType and SessionRejectMessage attributes will suffice in a post-trade context. Any assistance you can provide is appreciated…thank you. Steven Botta New York Board of Trade > In my understanding of FIX, if my application cannot determine the > message type, a session level reject is to be used, ie, I would use > > Tag 35 ( message type ) = 3 ( Session level reject ) > > Tag 373 = 11 ( Invalid message type ) > > Also Business reject cannot be used as an acknowledgement because when > business reject is received by the other application, the reject would > close out the transaction intitiated by the order generation system ( > system behind the other FIX engine ). If a session level reject is sent, > the other FIX engine might be able to retransmit the corrected message > without resending from backend / order generation system. > > > Folks; > > > > I’d like to get some more business and technical info on the uses of > > the FIXML Business Message Reject message. > > > > Questions that I have are as follows: > > > > 1. can I employ the Business Message Reject message as an > > acknowledgement back to the source if I cannot determine the > > message type that I have received? > > > > 2. at this time, is it the industry practice to employ this message > > type in this context? if so… > > > > 3. where can I acquire some sample Business Message Reject Message > > messages that I can refer to and use as a foundation to construct > > my own messages? > > > > any info you can provide is appreciated…thank you. ---
**Author:** ![kaymahes\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c2a13f/32.png) [@kaymahes\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/kaymahes_x)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/business-message-reject-message/6029/5 "2006-07-12T16:21:12Z")
Hi Steven, Very sorry for the late response ( was not frequently checking emails / browsing net ). To answer your question :- RefSeqNum ( Tag 45 ) would contain the sequence number of message which is being rejected. Standard Trailer ( Tag 10 ) is Checksum of the message. Hope this helps. Regards, K. Mahesh +1-203-252-4039 > Hi Mahesh; > > thanks for your reply…and sorry for my delayed response. at this time, > i have additional comments/questions on how i can implement a session > level reject message when i cannot determine a message type: > > comments: > > 1. as per the fix-44 VOL 2 Document and via your email, I’ll be > employing the following tags/attributes in this session level reject > message space: > > MsgType = ‘3’ SessionRejectMessage = ‘11’ > > questions: > 2. Since I’ll be employing this session level reject message in a POST- > TRADE space, what will i utilize for the following attributes below > in the message… > > RefSeqNum StandardTrailer > > since the spec specifies these attributes are required? > > Please let me know if both the MsgType and SessionRejectMessage > attributes will suffice in a post-trade context. Any assistance you can > provide is appreciated…thank you. > > Steven Botta New York Board of Trade > > > In my understanding of FIX, if my application cannot determine the > > message type, a session level reject is to be used, ie, I would use > > > > Tag 35 ( message type ) = 3 ( Session level reject ) > > > > Tag 373 = 11 ( Invalid message type ) > > > > Also Business reject cannot be used as an acknowledgement because when > > business reject is received by the other application, the reject would > > close out the transaction intitiated by the order generation system ( > > system behind the other FIX engine ). If a session level reject is > > sent, the other FIX engine might be able to retransmit the corrected > > message without resending from backend / order generation system. > > > > > Folks; > > > > > > I’d like to get some more business and technical info on the uses of > > > the FIXML Business Message Reject message. > > > > > > Questions that I have are as follows: > > > > > > 1. can I employ the Business Message Reject message as an > > > acknowledgement back to the source if I cannot determine the > > > message type that I have received? > > > > > > 2. at this time, is it the industry practice to employ this message > > > type in this context? if so… > > > > > > 3. where can I acquire some sample Business Message Reject Message > > > messages that I can refer to and use as a foundation to > > > construct my own messages? > > > > > > any info you can provide is appreciated…thank you.