# Difference between tag 452 values - PartyRole=11 and PartyRole=36 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Q&A\ **Tags:** general-qa, xid\_167392, imported\ **Created:** [July 4, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/difference-between-tag-452-values-partyrole-11-and-partyrole-36/4193 "2006-07-04T22:59:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jmielk\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@jmielk\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/jmielk_x)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/difference-between-tag-452-values-partyrole-11-and-partyrole-36/4193/1 "2006-07-04T22:59:09Z")
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**Author:** ![jmielk\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@jmielk\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/jmielk_x)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/difference-between-tag-452-values-partyrole-11-and-partyrole-36/4193/2 "2006-07-04T22:59:09Z")
Hello all, I’m trying to determine the difference between two possible values for tag 456, PartyRole: 11 = Order Origination Trader (associated with Order Origination Firm – e.g. trader who initiates/submits the order) and 36 = Entering Trader Has anybody had experience using these values? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![fplpo\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7ab992/32.png) [@fplpo\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/fplpo_x)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 7:40am UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/difference-between-tag-452-values-partyrole-11-and-partyrole-36/4193/3 "2006-07-05T07:40:23Z")
[original email was from Rikard Hedberg - [rikard.hedberg@omxgroup.com](mailto:rikard.hedberg@omxgroup.com) ] Try the Glossary in volume 1 of the FIX specification. I think it is a good idea to use the “Executing” and “Entering” party roles for this. I understand “Originator” to mean someone further away from the exchange, such as an Originator sending an order to a broker (or member firm) who enters it into the marketplace. Most exchanges would ignore such originators. ---
**Author:** ![jmielk\_x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@jmielk\_x](https://forum.fixtrading.org/u/jmielk_x)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.fixtrading.org/t/difference-between-tag-452-values-partyrole-11-and-partyrole-36/4193/4 "2006-07-05T13:43:55Z")
Hello Rikard, Yes, reading the glossary I agree with your understanding. Thanks for the prompt reply. > Try the Glossary in volume 1 of the FIX specification. > > I think it is a good idea to use the “Executing” and “Entering” party > roles for this. I understand “Originator” to mean someone further away > from the exchange, such as an Originator sending an order to a broker > (or member firm) who enters it into the marketplace. Most exchanges > would ignore such originators.